After the Side Pot was Made
Sep/080
Hi there!
I have two questions for you. Hope you can find some time to answer them.
- When is the right time to make side pots? Is it actually at the end of the betting round before going for the flop or when there is finally someone all-in?
- Let’s say player 1 goes all in with $50, then player 2 calls $50, player 3 calls $50 and raises $50, and player 4 folds. Then, player 2 has to play. How much do you think he should call or raise and why? Do you think he should call 200$ or $100 or only $50?
- Similarly, with almost the same example, player 1 goes all in with $50, player 2 calls $50, player 3 calls $50 and raises $50, and then player 4 folds. Take note, we will have 2 main pots, $150 & side pot of $50. Now, player 2 has to play. What do you think, how much does he needs to call or raise and why? Do you think he should call 200$, $150, $100 or only $50?
Thanks in advance.
Vinz
Vinz,
- The only time that there is a side pot is when a player is all-in and there are two or more players in the pot that can continue betting. The side pot can occur anytime after the player goes all-in.
- The player can either call the $50 raise or reraise. Player 3 raised to $100 total and player 2 already has $50 in the pot. He can call the raise or reraise. Beyond that, without knowing what the player has, it is not possible to determine what amount he should raise or if he should flat call.
- The revised scenario is exactly the same as the prior one. Your first example was going to create a side pot of $50 as well. Nothing about the scenario has changed, so my answer above applies here as well.
Folding Side Pot
Sep/080
Hi,
I am in trouble. A dispute is going on between me and my friend about side pots in our No Limit Texas Holdem tournaments. I hope you could help us out.
We already tried to seek out for some possible answer, researched, etc. but till this time we haven’t achieved yet the clarity we are looking for.
For you to understand the situation better, consider these infos:
Player 1 (has 1000 chips) – calls the 100 in the big blind
Player 2 (has 500 chips) – calls the 100.
Player 3 (has 300 chips) – goes all-in for 300 chips
Player 4 folds.
Player 1 calls the additional 200 chips from Player 3 all-in bet.
Player 2 also calls the additional 200 chips.
Eventually, the flop comes with three way action: player 1, player 2, and player 3. Every player has 300 chips invested for the hand. Then, right after the flop, player 1 is the first to act, so as a result, he moves all-in with 700 chips.
Consider that player 3 has a chance to win 900 chips if his hand is the best hand and that there would be a side pot in which the best hand between player 1 and player 2 would win. Take note that player 1 would take back the additional 500 chips he placed in the pot.
Well, my question now is – what happens if player 2 folds to the all-in bet of player 1? And if in the event that player 2 folds after Player 1 moves all-in with more chips, can player 2 win the original pot against other players?
I have an idea but I’m not certain if it makes sense. Any help with this will be much appreciated.
Thank you.
Carl Jhanne
Carl,
The side pot is just a continuation of the original hand. When player two folds to the bet of player one, he forfeits his rights to the main pot. Only player one and player three can compete for it.
Confused About Multiple Side Pots
Sep/080
Hi,
My question has something to do with the most “tragic” experience I ever had at the table. It actually happened last weekend.
Four people were in and two of them were both all-in, thus implying 1 main pot, and two side pots. In the middle of the game an argument occurred and I’m not sure if we’ve handled it properly.
Well, the argument concerned player 1 who went all in with $50 followed by player 2 who made call for $50. Player 3 raised $50 after and player 4 followed by player 2 made a call. By the way, player 4 call for $50 + $50 and player 2 for $50.
In total, the main pot was $200 and side pot 1 was $150. River afterwards was dealt and right after player 2 placed a bet of $50. Player 3 call for $50 all in, player 4 raised $50 then player 2 for $50 all in.
The main pot remained at $200, while side pot 1 became $300 and then there was side pot 2 at $100.
I’m not sure but I believed that time that the following players are qualified to the following pots:
main = all players
side pot (1) = players 2, 3 and 4
side pot (2) = players 2 and 4
Am I right for thinking that way? By the way, how is the winner of each pot be decided supposedly? I mean, which order is each pot decided? I’m confused. Please help me.
Thank you.
Haliey
Haliey,
You did a fantastic job following the action. You are correct in who was qualified for the different pots. In regards to how the pots are decided, it goes in order of the last pot created. In the example, side pot 2 would be determined first. The loser of side pot 2 is subsequently eliminated from contention from the other two pots. Next, side pot 1 is awarded, and the winner of side pot 1 shows against the main pot all in player for the main pot.
